When does nudity become porn? What is acceptable here?

[John]

If you asked 100 people, I suspect you’d get 100 answers.

For me I’d say it was pornographic if it’s intent was to titillate, so yeah page 3 is porn, albeit very soft porn.

I don’t think of this site as in any way pornographic, although there is undoubtedly a thrill in participating.

When I took part and somehow won vote off 3, I asked Ed specifics of the pictures, and although he wanted a close up picture, I was not to be erect.

Similarly although I don’t think Ed has forbidden it, you don’t tend to see pictures between women’s legs which would be verging on porn. Those who shave are more exposed though.

Actually we did have a thread a while back where people tried to take pictures between their legs, but only men took part and I came to learn very quickly that is not a man’s best angle, we looked a bit silly 🙂

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[Arthur]

I agree everybody has different line that they draw, it sort of reminded me of like when a Supreme Court justice said I know it when I see it, but again in the US they don’t exactly have much legitimacy right now. I would say that for me it’s like if it becomes very obviously sexual it’s porn, a video of people naked doesn’t automatically equal porn, I guess like it depends how tasteful it is would be the dividing line. Like what is the distinction between erotica and porn is a similar question? It’s hard to give any kind of definitive answer really. When I think of porn specifically I suspect that I imagine it involves either people directly having sex or maybe some kind of physical sexual manipulation of the other person or bodily fluids being exchanged. A person just being naked I don’t think necessarily is pornographic in and of itself. Like most of the videos here, those are sort of more artistic videos of people being nude. Or you could just go with the Family Guy definitions what’s the difference between pornography and art? A government grant!

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[NudeNik]

In the UK public nudity is legal, it is allowed if the naked person(s) is/are not drawing attention to certain body parts and not behaving in a sexual manner. However this is still open to different interpretations, despite attempts to clarify the laws on it in 2019

If people at nudist clubs behave in ways that go against the above guidance then they are likely to be kicked out.

So, I suggest that nudity is just that if kept to those guidlines, but anything with suggestions of  spread legs or of an erection are entering into the realms of porn.

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[Jesss]

Thanks for contributing to the discussion. You make a good point that a woman with her legs together is considered differently to if they are open and giving s view. I hate to try to navigate unwritten rules. I prefer if someone clearly tells me what’s what.

[Ed]

I’m guessing the implication here is that the community rules need a more detailed description?

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[Since1980_v2]

An interesting take from another site on how they define whats allowed. Also interesting they added age verification on there before being allowed to upload.

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[ptHarry]

That’s an interesting example — apart from the double negative in rule 3, which means that it actually says the exact opposite to what the author presumably intended.

If Ofcom and other regulators could be persuaded to give a similar example as a recommendation, it would greatly help to confirm that simple, non-pornographic, nudity does not need to be age restricted on a web site, in the same way that College of Police guidelines confirm that simple nudity is legal in public provided it is not intended to cause alarm or distress.

Actually I would go one step further — ofcom should clarify the distinction by insisting that simple nudity must not be age restricted, pixellated or misdescribed as porn to reduce the public misconception that all nudity is illegal.

But sadly, I don’t think ofcom wants to be that clear, even though it make things so much better to understand.

 

 

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[Jesss]

Add a comma after the initial No, in point 3? Then it removes the double negative?

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[Ed]

Replace the 1st comma on rule 3 with a full stop.

[Ed]

How do they do age verification?

 

[Since1980_v2]

The button does nothing when I click on it. It might be because they already have my driving licence details though.

[Ed]

I don’t know how many people would be prepared to share a photo ID with an adult site. My research so far seems to put it at less than 25%, with some people being fiercely against it.

[Since1980_v2]

I’ve already stated a few times happy to share mine. Happy to do it in a random interview style thing or something to make it more interesting. I’m not surprised people are against it but it’s inevitable with nanny states. I get the reasons behind it, the few idiots in the world ruin it for the rest of us. The issue of legislating for the few bad apples.

[John]

Think I answered in the wrong thread as I can’t see it, I would, but why not put a poll up?

[Arthur]

@Jess

“Thanks for contributing to the discussion. You make a good point that a woman with her legs together is considered differently to if they are open and giving s view. I hate to try to navigate unwritten rules. I prefer if someone clearly tells me what’s what.”

I totally agree, as a person who is autistic I don’t understand unwritten social rules at all so I don’t know how I would ever navigate a naked or sexual situation or anything like that!

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[Jesss]

I wonder how many of us are neurodivergent? I’m recently diagnosed ADHD with a strong suspicion of co-existing autism from the way I answered some of the screening questions. Compared to the rest of my family, I don’t see the ASD in me so much. My daughter is the only other one diagnosed (dual ADHD/autism) but my son clearly has both. We think the autism is my husband’s gift to them and I provided the ADHD!

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[Ed]

I’ve not been officially diagnosed as autistic, but my GP has told me on two separate occasions that I definitely am. I strongly suspect most of my friends are also autistic.

I’ve no interest in getting an official diagnosis as I’m not sure what difference it makes and there’s a 2 year waiting list to get diagnosed in this area.

[Arthur]

@Jess

“I wonder how many of us are neurodivergent? I’m recently diagnosed ADHD with a strong suspicion of co-existing autism from the way I answered some of the screening questions. Compared to the rest of my family, I don’t see the ASD in me so much. My daughter is the only other one diagnosed (dual ADHD/autism) but my son clearly has both. We think the autism is my husband’s gift to them and I provided the ADHD!”

I have been reading and watching lots of videos about this topic and a lot of the communities I have for particular sexual fetishes it does seem like there is an over represented  number of people on the spectrum to the point where it almost seems like they are the majority. I think it might just be because when you don’t read social rules normally you probably don’t have the same necessary inhibitions, or maybe on the opposite side, you have more inhibition. But it does seem like people who are on the spectrum tend to have more divergent sexuality, where many are often asexual but often have kinks. And I have heard that a lot of autistic people enjoy  embracing nudity because being naked frees you from the sensory overwhelm of clothing.

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[Ed]

That’s fascinating. I haven’t looked into that at all. Thinking about it, many of the people who run adult sites in the UK seem to be on the spectrum, certainly all the ones I’ve had dealings with.

[Arthur]

@Ed

“That’s fascinating. I haven’t looked into that at all. Thinking about it, many of the people who run adult sites in the UK seem to be on the spectrum, certainly all the ones I’ve had dealings with.”

I’ve noticed that most of the fetish sites I have seen seem to be UK based, but it wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of them a run by people on the spectrum since a lot of people on the spectrum are good with computers and programming and stuff like that. I have to admit though I am not one of them, because although I use computers all day I don’t know anything about programming or running a sight or anything like that.

I have read fair amount about this and there does seem to be a pretty strong correlation between being on the spectrum and having unusual sexual interest, where you can have like maybe not a strong interest in natural having sexual intercourse or even not really being turned on by that, but other things like embarrassing nudity or other fetishes that have sensory issues and social awkwardness that go along with it I think perhaps appeal to people like this.

So it’s true that while people on the spectrum sometimes our asexual aside from a particular fetish sometimes the fetish itself though is very strong and you can become hyper fixated on it. I call it a fetish binge where sometimes I get on this thing where for like 7 to 10 days usually I can barely think about anything. They’re getting more few and far between as I am getting older but when I get on one you can become extremely obsessed with this to the exclusion of everything else. I don’t know how many other people experienced something similar but there definitely is a correlation for sure. People on the spectrum are more likely to have fetishes and paraphilias compared to the general population.

LGBT people are also overrepresented among people on the spectrum especially women, where a majority in some cases are LGBT.

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[Jesss]

Interesting. I’ve read extensively about asexuality, yet I still feel confused. I am shy of publicly coming out as such for the sake of my husband, but I think it comes down to potentially being asexual but hetero-romantic.
I want to be with him, and I don’t want to damage this relationship.
I’m from a Christian background and thought everyone else was making too much of the “no sex before marriage” issue, since that wasn’t hard for me.

I’ve got 2 kids, so we obviously did/do have a sex life, but I’d still say the sexual attraction issue means I probably do fit somewhere on what the youngsters are now calling the “asexuality spectrum”.

[Since1980_v2]

Reading about labels and being confused is perfectly normal. No one ever fits a single label perfectly. You may fit several labels and the may have small contradictions around the edges. You can’t pigeon hole yourself in to one label. That’s not saying that you aren’t whatever that label is it’s just saying you are unique and that’s the same for all of us.

Use the label as a way of getting validations of how you feel but don’t think that any one label is what defines you it doesn’t. Be happy that the label helps you to understand parts of your life but be aware that as a unique individual you will have bits of it that might not apply.

 

Don’t let the label define you, let the label free you from feelings you’ve had that you might be different. Many people are in a similar situation but no two individuals are the same and so no label will ever fully be right for everyone.

 

You only get one go round at this life, don’t waste too much time working out if a label is you or not just be happy that you are not alone and its not just you that feels like you do.

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[Arthur]

@Jess

“Interesting. I’ve read extensively about asexuality, yet I still feel confused. I am shy of publicly coming out as such for the sake of my husband, but I think it comes down to potentially being asexual but hetero-romantic.
I want to be with him, and I don’t want to damage this relationship.
I’m from a Christian background and thought everyone else was making too much of the “no sex before marriage” issue, since that wasn’t hard for me.

I’ve got 2 kids, so we obviously did/do have a sex life, but I’d still say the sexual attraction issue means I probably do fit somewhere on what the youngsters are now calling the “asexuality spectrum”.”

I think these issues can be confusing because pretty much everything really does exist on a spectrum, very few things are black and  white. And even if you experience sexual desire sometimes you could still technically be asexual. I wouldn’t really consider myself to be asexual because sometimes my fetishes can become so overpowering that I can barely think about anything else, but outside of those particular fetishes hardly anything really gets me excited I guess you would say, so I would say that I have a very narrow range of sexual interests rather than being asexual, but those fetishes can sometimes become the all consuming focus of autistic hyperfocus. I probably am aromantic though because I never had any desire for like romance, marriage and children and stuff like that. Sometimes it can be difficult to place yourself on a spectrum like that cause there’s a lot of nuance.

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