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      Ed
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      I don’t normally post purely male nudity but this performance is very unusual and I know a few of you will enjoy this one. Also, I think it’s worthy of discussion. Is it art? Is it exhibitionism? Is it explicit?

       

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      Prof Green
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      As usual, I couldn’t work out what was going on. I liked the way it looked visually with lots of carefully worked out shapes being formed by the bodies. The dancing made sense and the woman miming (I think) with the mouth harp provided a good focus, almost a narrator. I liked her costume too! I’m just as intrigued by male nudity as female, so no problem with the naked guy. Typical bloody man, though, keeping his socks on.

      I wouldn’t use words like exhibitionism or explicit. The performance did seem to be about his body, or the way it was being treated, but he was never in undue closeup, and the other performers were just as involved as he was. I don’t know how I would define “explicit”. Maybe if something is too explicit, namely not implicit enough, the unsubtlety takes something – maybe quite a lot – away from the performance , but nothing about this seemed explicit in that sense. It was certainly intrusive for the man though. Maybe having his body used in that way was part of the point.

      If I had the body and the moves, and if I understood what it was about, I’d probably be happy to join in but that’s a lot of “ifs”, too many for me to be able to identify with him really.

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      Martin
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      Is it eroticism? No. There is a sexual narrative behind the performance but the male body is simply being used to represent the Male and not for any overt sexual activity. His naked body including his penis is his costume and the handling of his penis appears to be integral to the story and showing how the females can manipulate the male actions. The male actor appears to be more focussed on the performance and not reacting to anything that happens to him in any inappropriate way, and there is no attempt to demonstrate any intimate act designed to have an effect on the male himself or the character of the male.

      Is it Exhibitionism? No, it’s a performance. Clearly choreographed, at least set pieces within it even if some were repeated and may be more tango-like in its performance – the body of the Male offering opportunities for set piece actions by the females in response, and vice versa, as in the Tango where the male lead is forcing the female into positions where she can best be shown off.

      Is it Art? Yes, a choreographed performance has to be Art presented for viewing by others.

      Is it right to keep his socks on? Well, I’d prefer not as well. But he is a dancer protecting his feet. For me, I’d go bare foot. Indeed, nudity for me means fully nude with no add-ons (so if I need to see when modelling then I will wear contact lenses instead of glasses and remove my wedding ring – simply because they are not part of my body).

       

      Treating his penis as though it was just a handle, as they would lead him by the hand if clothed, was, for me, the right thing to do. It shows their control and his subjection, would work if the females had been male but wouldn’t if the subject had been female.

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      Prof Green
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      The relationships between the performers must be interesting. I see that Vitamina describes itself as a collective, so I imagine they spend a fair bit of time together when they’re working on a performance. They see each other naked, they hold onto each other’s body parts, it looks like a very intimate set of relationships.

      On the other hand, maybe it’s all just routine to them. I worked with a semiprofessional ballroom dancer for a while and I remember her saying how touchy-feely they were in real life because they had no barriers at all to physical contact when dancing. In fact I remember Karen Hardy on Strictly challenging her celebrity partner to touch her anywhere, just to stop him ruining the dance by being shy.

      I remember Ed saying how reluctant some potential NE participants, especially women, were to be touched.

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        Martin
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        To me, it is just that : “part of the performance”.

        As an actor I play a character and it is the character who is Nude rather than me. So if it is right for the character then that’s what I give to the filmmaker. And that includes intimate actions and situations as required.

        That’s not me in real life though! I don’t walk around naked normally – just when I am in performance of some kind!

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      Ed
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      I don’t have stats to hand on this, but very few male participants/candidates have any objections to being touched anywhere. The great majority of females are dead against being touched intimately and I’ve spoken to quite a few who would not allow any contact whatsoever.

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